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**Fattema** · 05-12-2008, 11:55 PM

Assalaamu Alaykum

Welcome to the English forum. Thanks a lot for joining us

Insha-Allah here at yahosein forums you will find what you are seeking for

Hope to see you participating with us Insha-Allah

Regards

**haneeen** · 06-12-2008, 01:06 AM

quote=Fattema]

Assalaamu Alaykum

Welcome to the English forum. Thanks a lot for joining us

Insha-Allah here at yahosein forums you will find what you are seeking for

Hope to see you participating with us Insha-Allah

Regards

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Wa-Alaykom Alsalam w.b

Thank you Fattema for making me feel welcomed. I had a look at some of your posts you do participate alot mashallah. Keep it up. I'm glade to see formus like these for she3as available.I was confused which one to join, but i found a realy good article by a brother on this site talking about the sa7aba. I had to search alot through google for information about the belief of sheas about the sa7aba. I can't that post right now but i'll keep trying.

I'm stil not familiar with using forums so still learning. I'm wondering if the picutre for the signiture has to be from an internet link rather than a
downloaded from computer

Inshallah i will be participating. In English it wouldn't be hard for me but the Arabic is a problem. I'm a shy peson so sometimes I find it hard to start comunicatations. Inshallah i will be participating. Looking forward to meeting more people and
making new friends
.. ..

**farhad** · 06-12-2008, 02:35 AM

salaaam

well come sista to our web site ,, and from what i read in ur post that ur looing forward to know more about ur beliief ? well if u have any question we are happy to answer u ofcourse if we know the answer.

regards

**haneeen** · 06-12-2008, 02:07 PM

لا معصومين NO Ma3soomeen

لا معصومين
From the Sunnies perspective there is NO Ma3soomeen

An important difference between Sunnies and Sheas is that Sunnies believe that there is no perfect human that ever existed on Earth. Therefore Prophet Mohammad and his holly family (Ahl-al-bait) peace be upon them all, are not ma3soomeen

I hope this is not confusing but this is how I would explain it. Please tell me if I’m on the right track; Prophet Muhammad and Ahl-al-bait peace be upon them, are no ordinary humans, they had reached a very high religious level that Allah granted them 3esma (perfection) as their pure heart and good deeds earned it. If we assume that they ever did a mistake it would be nothing, as it would be a drop in the sea therefore their goodness is so over whelming to the extent where bad deeds were extinct for them. Allah (s.w.) helped them by strengthening their “Eman” and helping them by guiding them to all the right ways. Remember that Allah mentions in the Quran that those who reach an extremely low level of Eman, Allah (s.w.) will not guide them (there is no hidaya for them). He lets the bad people to play around in this “Dunia”; life, and go down with their stray path which they chose. This analogy should make it more believable that Allah (s.w.) helps people in the same way by guiding them to perfection when they reach an extreme high level of Eman rather than Kufr. It is important to note that Allah’s grants hidaya from the heart of the persons. Allah knew that Prophet Muhammad and Ahl-al-bait peace be upon them had perfectly pure hearts, that is why their deeds are wholly pure like their hearts which makes them ma3soomeen

Note:
A7adeeth أحاديث
Eman إيمان
Kufr كُفر
Hidaya هداية
3esma عصمة

How can we prove that the prophet and his holly family (Ahl el bait) peace be
upon them, are ma3soomeen?? Which Quranic verses or a7adeethsthat indicate this fact. Please tell me how you would explain this issue to Please tell me how you would explain this issue to Sunnies.

Jazakum Allah

**haneeen** · 06-12-2008, 02:45 PM

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة farhad

salaaam

well come sista to our web site ,, and from what i read in ur post that ur looing forward to know more about ur beliief ? well if u have any question we are happy to answer u ofcourse if we know the answer.

regards

Salam brother Farhad
Thank you for welcoming me. I have raised a question today, looking forward for hearing your comments for my posts. Yes your right, I'm here to expand my knowlegde about my religion. I'm realy interested in finding logical explanations for our belief., as I mentioned before, there is too much critisism of the She3a religion and it is important for us Sheas to explain things logically for people especially the Sunnies. I know enough about my religion to be a practising She3a al7amdulilah I can ask about things from my family and follow what our She3a clerics say but its I feel I need explainations for some of the ideas. Sometimes i'm afraid to ask incase people see me as questioning my She3a religion, however being open minded is not wrong. I can see how the Sunnies look at us, and can understand why, but we can never stand up for our selves or have a strong faith if we dont critically analyse and present convincing explainations which at the end will strengthen our belief.

Regards

**farhad** · 07-12-2008, 07:28 PM

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة haneeen

لا معصومين
From the Sunnies perspective there is NO Ma3soomeen

An important difference between Sunnies and Sheas is that Sunnies believe that there is no perfect human that ever existed on Earth. Therefore Prophet Mohammad and his holly family (Ahl-al-bait) peace be upon them all, are not ma3soomeen

I hope this is not confusing but this is how I would explain it. Please tell me if I’m on the right track; Prophet Muhammad and Ahl-al-bait peace be upon them, are no ordinary humans, they had reached a very high religious level that Allah granted them 3esma (perfection) as their pure heart and good deeds earned it. If we assume that they ever did a mistake it would be nothing, as it would be a drop in the sea therefore their goodness is so over whelming to the extent where bad deeds were extinct for them. Allah (s.w.) helped them by strengthening their “Eman” and helping them by guiding them to all the right ways. Remember that Allah mentions in the Quran that those who reach an extremely low level of Eman, Allah (s.w.) will not guide them (there is no hidaya for them). He lets the bad people to play around in this “Dunia”; life, and go down with their stray path which they chose. This analogy should make it more believable that Allah (s.w.) helps people in the same way by guiding them to perfection when they reach an extreme high level of Eman rather than Kufr. It is important to note that Allah’s grants hidaya from the heart of the persons. Allah knew that Prophet Muhammad and Ahl-al-bait peace be upon them had perfectly pure hearts, that is why their deeds are wholly pure like their hearts which makes them ma3soomeen

Note:
A7adeeth أحاديث
Eman إيمان
Kufr كُفر
Hidaya هداية
3esma عصمة

How can we prove that the prophet and his holly family (Ahl el bait) peace be
upon them, are ma3soomeen?? Which Quranic verses or a7adeethsthat indicate this fact. Please tell me how you would explain this issue to Please tell me how you would explain this issue to Sunnies.

Jazakum Allah

salaam

enshallah ur in good health and great eman. nice questions my dear sistea

1- how can we prove that the prophet mohamed and his holly faily peace be upon them are ma3someen

lets start from the a7adeeth first and then from quraanic verses

1- hadith -al thaqleen (the prophet mohamed swt said : verily ,iam leaving behind two precious things
THAQLEEN among you : the book of God and my kindred ,my house hold for indeed ,the two will never separate until they come back to me by the pond ..the various occasionsrelated to this hadith : at Arafat . ghadir khom,in the mosque of madinah , and in the prophet`s chamber during his last illnes ,,the narrators of this hadith from among the sahabah and from the tabi`un .

sunni refrances :sahih muslim ,chapter of the virtues of of imam ali a,s vol v p 122. shahih altirmithi vol V pg328
Mustadrak al-hakim vol 111, pg 148, mosnad ahmad iben hambal vol 111 pg 17

quranic vierses

Verily, verily God intendeth to keep off from you (every kind of filth), "O' ye The People of The House (Ahlul Bait), and purify you with a thorough purification. (Qur'an: 33:33)
.
"And We assigned from among them some Imams(Leaders) who guide by Our Authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs. (Qur'an 32:24

And, He it is who made the stars for you that ye maybe rightly guided by observing them in the darkness of the land and the sea; Indeed we have made plain the Signs for the people who can know. (Qur'an 6:97

2- the prophet mohamed swt said :the likness of ahlu baut among my umah is similar to the Noha`s ark , those who embarked on it were rescued and those who rejected it persiched
Ahlal Bait be perfectly true and sincere guides whose commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else

Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya).(98:7

These are none but our Infallible Imams

Lord, Bless Muhammad and his descendants, The Pure Ones, and Do unto us what Thou art Worthy of doing in this world, and the hereafter. Verily Thou Has Power over all things

inshallah i will continue next time as there are many and many ahadiths and quranic verses i didnt mention

khodahafez

**المستفيد** · 07-12-2008, 11:18 PM

Welcome dear haneen to English fourm

Thank U for joining us and Insha-Allah U will get what u are seeking for
We will try to help u as much as we can
Good luck

My regards

**المستفيد** · 07-12-2008, 11:28 PM

Thank U very much dear farhad for the ur help giving to our new member haneen
Keep it up

**haneeen** · 09-12-2008, 06:50 AM

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة farhad

salaam

enshallah ur in good health and great eman. nice questions my dear sistea

1- how can we prove that the prophet mohamed and his holly faily peace be upon them are ma3someen

lets start from the a7adeeth first and then from quraanic verses

1- hadith -al thaqleen (the prophet mohamed swt said : verily ,iam leaving behind two precious things
THAQLEEN among you : the book of God and my kindred ,my house hold for indeed ,the two will never separate until they come back to me by the pond ..the various occasionsrelated to this hadith : at Arafat . ghadir khom,in the mosque of madinah , and in the prophet`s chamber during his last illnes ,,the narrators of this hadith from among the sahabah and from the tabi`un .

sunni refrances :sahih muslim ,chapter of the virtues of of imam ali a,s vol v p 122. shahih altirmithi vol V pg328
Mustadrak al-hakim vol 111, pg 148, mosnad ahmad iben hambal vol 111 pg 17

quranic vierses

Verily, verily God intendeth to keep off from you (every kind of filth), "O' ye The People of The House (Ahlul Bait), and purify you with a thorough purification. (Qur'an: 33:33)
.
"And We assigned from among them some Imams(Leaders) who guide by Our Authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs. (Qur'an 32:24

And, He it is who made the stars for you that ye maybe rightly guided by observing them in the darkness of the land and the sea; Indeed we have made plain the Signs for the people who can know. (Qur'an 6:97

2- the prophet mohamed swt said :the likness of ahlu baut among my umah is similar to the Noha`s ark , those who embarked on it were rescued and those who rejected it persiched
Ahlal Bait be perfectly true and sincere guides whose commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else

Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya).(98:7

These are none but our Infallible Imams

Lord, Bless Muhammad and his descendants, The Pure Ones, and Do unto us what Thou art Worthy of doing in this world, and the hereafter. Verily Thou Has Power over all things

inshallah i will continue next time as there are many and many ahadiths and quranic verses i didnt mention

khodahafez

Eid Mubarak brother, Inshallah you and your family are having a blessed Eid.. .Thank you brother for answering me. I was afraid that it would take a long time for people to answer but you didn't make me wait for long. Inshallah from now on I'll try to check this website as often as i possible can. I 'm really happy to see the Sunnie references that you gave me. Thats what I'm
looking for .

I can't wait to read the rest what your intending to write next time

Khoda Hafiz (This was the first Persian phrase I learnt and never

forgot .

**haneeen** · 10-12-2008, 06:40 AM

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة المستفيد

Welcome dear haneen to English fourm

Thank U for joining us and Insha-Allah U will get what u are seeking for
We will try to help u as much as we can
Good luck

My regards

Thank you very much I am just glade to join your forum

**farhad** · 11-12-2008, 12:50 AM

Eid Shoma Ham Mubarak

yr more well come anytime ,,, so lets continue

1- Hadith -e- alkisaa

We narrate Hadith-e-Kisá (The event of the Cloak) quite regularly whenever we gather for a Majlis, whether in large numbers or small. The event is said to have taken place at the residence of Bibi Fátimah (A).The narration states that the Holy Prophet (S) came to the house of his daughter and requested for a cloak and then lay down to rest. His grandsons, Imám Hasan (A) and Imám Husain (A) came and joined him under the cloak. Thereafter, Imám `Alí (A) and Bibi Fátimah (A) also came under the cloak Bibi Fátimah (A) narrates that when they were all assembled under the cloak, Jibrá-íl (A) came to the Holy Prophet (S) and conveyed to him the verse which reads

quranic verse
Verily, Alláh wishes to drive away all evils from you, O Ahlul Bayt, and cleanse you thoroughly. (al-Ahzáb, 33:33

At this time, Umme Salma, a virtuous wife of the Holy Prophet (S), asked if she could join them under the cloak and be included in the Ahlul Bayt. The Holy Prophet (S) replied : "You are a good woman but it is better that you stay where you are"

This narration of where the verse was revealed has been recorded in both the Shi`ah and Sunni history books. Two important Sunni references are "Sahih" of Muslim bin Hajjáj, and "Musnad" of Ahmed ibn Hanbal

At the end of Hadith-e-Kisá, it is narrated that Imám `Alí (A) asked the Holy Prophet (S) as to the significance of the gathering under the cloak. The Holy Prophet (S) replied that any group that mentions the event in their gathering, the angels will seek forgiveness for them until they disperse. The Holy Prophet (S) also said that anyone who has a dire need or is in sorrow will have his prayer answered by the blessings of the narration of the event of the cloak.

here i want to make a very importent Note so sister haneen for sure they will compalin and the other people
they refferred in this verse as Ahlul Bayt are the wives, and not the children of the Holy Prophet (S)

to this there is a very simple and convincing answer

The mode of address used in addressing the wives is the feminine plural mode. Hence, in the words "Qarna fi Buyútikunna.." - the nún at the end denotes feminine plural address exclusively to the wives of the Holy Prophet (S). Yet, when we come to the part of Ahlul Bayt, the verse switches to a different mode of address - "`Ankum.. Yutahhirakum.." This mode of address is used either for exclusive male plural or male and female mixed plural. Hence the verse changes to addressing a different group of people in a discourse that is overall being addressed to another group. The verse is addressing the wives of the Holy Prophet (S), except in this small part of the verse! In this last part, the address is directed to the Household of the Holy Prophet (S).

inshallah to be continued...

khodahafez

**haneeen** · 11-12-2008, 11:24 AM

Eid Shoma Mobarak to you too

I thought Eid Shoma was a different Eid

in Persian

Yesss.. I remeber this story; was I was a little girl my dad used to have what is called "3abaaya" he used to put me and my brother under it and

hug us, he told us that story and I never forgot it till now

That’s a great note at the end; about the grammar.

I know this is a bit out of topic, and I try not to ask all my questions at once but may I ask how many wives exactly did the Prophet (saw) have?
Some Sunnies say he had about eleven!
What about the She3a belief, do we actually know for a fact who he married?

Khoda Hafiz

**farhad** · 13-12-2008, 04:04 AM

سلام

yeah we do he was (swt) married to eleven wives but he (swt) divorced two of them (hafzah and aysha) ,so in totall thery were 10

khodahafez

**haneeen** · 13-12-2008, 08:49 AM

Salam brother

This is the first time I hear the that prophet divorced Aysha! Is this the well known wife, who is highly respected by the Sunnies and hated by some She3a?? Why did he divorce them? I remeber in the Quran where it talks about he would divorce the wifes if they are unwilling to follow the rules of Allah obliged for the wifes of the Prophet. So does that mean those were the wifes that chose to be divorced ?

This is like another topic now, sorry about that. Oh I'm wondering if you'r going to be the only one answering my questions or disscussing things! I hope more people start participating because I would feel guilty to put too much pressure on you. Also it would be interesting to hear more opinions as I want to disscuss some controversial topics! I'm going to post something in another thread and see what happens. But i'm a bit afraid its too controversial

Jazzak Allah brother
KhodaHafiz